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THE ORIGINAL LIST OF THE THE HARDEST CLIMBING MOVES (established 1998)

The list is constantly updated and "cleaned up". We try to have only the hardest moves on it and no myths, but we don't kick anything out just based on speculation. Climb the route first, than tell us how hard you think it is! Also, only routes & boulders with mostly natural holds (reinforced might be okay) make it on the list - NO manufactured routes - if you know that one these Routes is chipped, please inform us! All the old 2007 and 2008 "news" went below the list.

HARDEST CLIMBING MOVES, updated 28-08-10 Drucken E-Mail

THE ORIGINAL LIST OF THE THE HARDEST CLIMBING MOVES (established 1998)

1. Routes, rated 9a and harder or being opened by a climber who doesn't grade his/her routes, but thought this is hard...

NAME: LOCATION: FIRST CLIMBED BY: REPEATED? CONFIRMED? DATE:
CABANE AU CANADA CH PIRMIN BERTLE 0 2010
SHORTCUT FRANCE MATHIEU BOUYOUD 0 2010
HUNGER UK MALCOM SMITH 0 2010
SAMFAINA SPAIN CHRIS SHARMA RAMONET 9a 2010
MADE IN POLAND POLAND LUKASZ DUDEK 0 2010
FORCE DE RAPPORT CH PIRMIN BERTLE 0 2010
ERA BELLA SPAIN CHRIS SHARMA RAMONET 9a 2010
GOLDRAKE ITALY ADAM ONDRA 0 2010
Tanec kuøátek CZ ADAM ONDRA 0 2010
JUNGLE SPEED SPAIN DANIEL JUNG 0 2010
FIRST LEY SPAIN CHRIS SHARMA 0 2010
DiRECT FABELITA SPAIN TOM BOLGER 0 2010
A PRESENT FOR THE FUTURE
ITALY ADAM ONDRA 0 2009
NEANDERTAL SPAIN CHRIS SHARMA 0 2009
AMAZONIE CH FRANCOIS NICOLE 0 2009
LA GUERRE DE NERFS
FRANCE PIERRE SOULÉ Gérôme Pouvreau 9a 2009
DER LANGE ATEM AUSTRIA ARTHUR KUBISTA 0 2009
XAXID HOSTEL SLOVENIA TOMAS MRAZEK ADAM ONDRA 9a 2009
ANALóGICA SPAIN CHRIS SHARMA TOMAS MRAZEK
2009
MARINA SUPERSTAR ITALY ADAM ONDRA 0 2009
WELCOME TO THE CLUB ITALY LUCA ZARDINI 0 2009
THE MAN THAT FOLLOWS HELL GERMANY MARKUS BOCK 0 2009
EMBORRACHANDO SPAIN DANI ANDRADA 0 2009
FUGU AUSTRIA ADAM ONDRA 0 2009
BEAT IT GERMANY TONI LAMPRECHT 0 "8c+/9a" 2009
PACHAMAMA
SPAIN
CHRIS SHARMA
0
2009
JAWS 11
GERMANY
TONI LAMPRECHT
0
2009
RE-UP USA
JOEY KINDER
0
2009
PANTERA GERMANY MARKUS BOCK ADAM ONDRA 9a 2009
EMPREINTES FRANCE
FRED ROUHLING 0
2009
DEMENCIA SENIL SPAIN
CHRIS SHARMA 
IKER POU
9a+ 2009
DIRECTA OPEN YOUR MIND
SPAIN 
RÁMÓN JULIÁN DANI ANDRADA
9a+ 2008
GOLPE DE ESTADO SPAIN
CHRIS SHARMA
ADAM ONDRA
9b 2008
ARAGORN
CH
STEPHAN SCHIBLI
0
2008
CAMPO CON CORVI ITALY
ADAM ONDRA
0
2008
ULTIME SOUFFRANCE
CH
DAVID HOHL
0
2008
THE DEVIL, YOU AND ME GERMANY TONI LAMPRECHT
0
2008
LIFE'S BLOOD FOR THE DOWNTRODDEN GERMANY
MARKUS BOCK ADAM ONDRA
2008
JUMBO LOVE
USA
CHRIS SHARMA
0
2008
LOS INCONFORMISTAS SPAIN
ERIC LOPEZ
numerous 9a
2008
DELINCUENTE NATURAL SPAIN
DANI ANDRADA
0
2008
ABSOLUTER KONTROLLVERLUST
GERMANY

TONI LAMPRECHT

0
2008
HADES
AUSTRIA
A. BINDHAMMER 2
9a 2008
THE CHINA GLIDE USA
PETER KAMITSES 0
2008
PAPICHULO
SPAIN
CHRIS SHARMA
2
9a+
2008
NORTHERN EXPOSURE
UK STEVE McCLURE 0
2008
GANCHO PERFECTO
SPAIN
CHRIS SHARMA
RAMONET
9a
2008
GOLDEN DIRECT
USA
JOEY KINDER CHRIS SHARMA
9a
2008
THE ESSENTIAL
GERMANY
MARKUS BOCK ADAM ONDRA
9a 2008
SALAMANDRE
FRANCE
FRED ROUHLING
0
2007
ALI-HULK var. SPAIN DANI ANDRADA 0
2007
MATADOR
GERMANY
MARKUS BOCK FELIX KNAUB
9a 2007
JAWS2 USA
VASYA VOROTNIKOV 0
2007
SAN KU KAI FRANCE
TONY LAMICHE
2
2007
PuntX
FRANCE
ALEXANDRE CHABOT 4
9a
2007
ALOHA
FRANCE
JULIUS WESTPHAL
0
2007
3 DEGREES OF SEPERATION
FRANCE
CHRIS SHARMA 0
2007
OVERSHADOW
UK
STEVE McCLURE
0
2007
LA NOVENA ENMIENDA SPAIN DANI ANDRADA
5
9a 2007
CORONA
GERMANY MARKUS BOCK
ADAM ONDRA
9a+ 2006
ES PONTAS
SPAIN
CHRIS SHARMA
0 2006
SS 26
ITALY ALBERTO GNERRO
2 8c+
2006
MARSUPILAMI GERMANY
TONI LAMPRECHT 0
2006
ABYSSE
FRANCE
ALEXANDRE CHABOT
5
9a 2006
DRUMTIME ITALY
RICCARDO SCARIAN
0 2006
COUP DE GRACE CH DAVE GRAHAM 0
2005
ERFOLG IST TRAINIERBAR AUSTRIA BERNI FIEDLER 2 9a
2005
BIG HAMMER AUSTRIA CHRISTIAN BINDHAMMER 0
2005
DREAMCATCHER CANADA CHRIS SHARMA SEAN McCOLL
9a
2005
A MUERTE
SPAIN
RICH SIMPSON
numerous
8c++ 2005
HEILIGER GRAHL GERMANY MARKUS BOCK
ADAM ONDRA
9a
2005
KARACHI JAPAN YUJI HIRAYAMA 0
2005
MONGO AUSTRIA MARKUS BENDLER 1
2004
PSIKOTERAPIA SPAIN PATXI USIBIAGA 2 9a
2004
VIOLENT NEW BREED UK JOHN GASKINS 0
2004
BIMBALUNA CH FRANÇOIS NICOLE JOSUNE BEREZIARTU (!) 9a
2004
ESCLATAMASTERS SPAIN RÁMÓN JULIÁN DAVE GRAHAM
9a
2004
ESTADO CRITICO SPAIN RÁMÓN JULIÁN 4 8c+
2004
CHILAM BALAM SPAIN BERNABE FERNANDEZ 0 status dubious
2003
UNPLUGGED GERMANY MARKUS BOCK 2 8c+/9a
2003
FLATMOUNTAIN JAPAN YUJI HIRAYAMA 0
2003
IL DOMANI SPAIN PATXI USIBIAGA IKER POU
9a
2003
LOGICAL PROGRESSION JAPAN DAI KOYAMADA JOSUNE BEREZIARTU (!)
2003
INI AMERIKETAN SPAIN RIKAR OTEGUI 0
2003
LA CHIMÈRE DES HAUTEURS CH FRED NICOLE 0
2003
LA RAMBLA ext. SPAIN RÁMÓN JULIÁN 5 9a
2003
FLEX LUTHOR USA TOMMY CALDWELL 0
2003
PSYCHEDELIC USA
DAVE GRAHAM
PAUL ROBINSON
5.14c/d 2001
DIE WELLE
GERMANY TONI LAMPRECHT 0
2001
MARTIN KRPAN SLOVENIA
JURE GOLOB numerous
9a
2001
REALIZATION FRANCE CHRIS SHARMA 5 9a/+
2001
ROBI IN THE SKY FRANCE FRANÇOIS LEGRAND ADAM ONDRA "hard 9a, chipped"
2000
IM REICH DES SHOGUN CH ERIC TALMADGE ADAM ONDRA
2000
NORTHERN LIGHTS UK STEVE McCLURE ADAM ONDRA
9a
2000
THE FLY USA DAVE GRAHAM many, 2 solo! V14
2000
VAKUUMGEIST AUSTRIA KLEM LOSKOT THOMAS KATZLBERGER 9a
1998
KRYPTONITE
USA
TOMMY CALDWELL
NUMEROUS
9a 1998
MUTATION UK STEVE McCLURE 0
1998
INTERMEZZO AUSTRIA KLEM LOSKOT T. KATZLBERGER 9a
1997
BIG BANG UK NEIL CARSON 0
1997
OPEN AIR AUSTRIA ALEXANDER HUBER ADAM ONDRA 9a+
1996
AKIRA FRANCE FRED ROUHLING 0 Status dubious...
1995
WEISSE ROSE
AUSTRIA
ALEXANDER HUBER ADAM ONDRA
9a
1994
BAIN DE SANG CH FRED NICOLE 8 8c+/9a
1993
ACTION DIRECTE GERMANY WOLFGANG GÜLLICH 12 9a
1991

2. Boulder (bloc), rated either 8b+ and harder or being opened by a climber who doesn't grade his/her problems, but thought this is hard...

NAME: LOCATION: FIRST CLIMBED BY: REPEATED? CONFIRMED? DATE:
LET THE RIGHT ONE IN USA DANIEL WOODS 0 2010
BLEAGLE SA PAUL ROBINSON 0 2010
EXFOLIATOR USA DANIEL WOODS Dave Graham 8b+ 2010
DEATH TROUT
USA DANIEL WOODS 2 8b+ 2010
ONE OF A KIND OZ CHRIS WEBB PARSONS 0 2010
EVIL BACKWARDS USA
DANIEL WOODS
2 8b+ 2010
STIX sd CZ ADAM ONDRA 0 2010
THE HOURGLASS SWEDEN STEFAN RASMUSSEN 0 2010
LUCID DREAMING USA PAUL ROBINSON 0 2010
S trny v kùži hledám krásu rùží CZ PETR RESCH 0 2010
DESPERANZA USA DANIEL WOODS 0 2010
THE GAME USA DANIEL WOODS 0 2010
NINJA SKILLS CH NALLE HUKKATALVAL 0 2009
SANTA LINYA NEVER ENDING STORY SPAIN TOMAS MRAZEK 0 2009
BAREVNY SVIT
CZ
ADAM ONDRA
0 2009
AMERICAN GANGSTER AUSTRA DANIEL WOODS 0 2009
TOKY ITALY CHRISTIAN CORE 0 2009
LIVIN' LARGE SA NALLE HUKKATALVAL 0 2009
AIR STAR PROJECT SA KILIAN FISCHHUBER 0 2009
BIG WORM
USA
DAVE GRAHAM
2
8b/+
2009
THE GLOBALIST
FINLAND
NALLE HUKKATALVAL 0
2009
KARAMU
JAPAN
DAI KOYAMADA
0
2009
RELEASE THE HOUNDS USA
DANIEL WOODS 0
2009
KRYPTOS CH FRANZ WIDMER FRED NICOLE 8c 2009
THE BEACH
USA
DANIEL WOODS DAVE GRAHAM
8b+
2009
BOKASSA'S FRIDGE - ASSASIN, MONKEY AND MAN
GERMANY
TONI LAMPRECHT
0
2009
MEER IST DOCH
GERMANY
TONI LAMPRECHT
0
2009
EPITAF
JAPAN
DAI KOYAMADA 0
2009
THE TIPPING POINT
USA
JON CARDWELL 0
2009
BIG PAW
CH
DAVE GRAHAM
0
2008
QUOI DE NEUF
FRANCE
RÉMY BERGASSE 0
2008
BLACK MAMBA
ITALY
DAI KOYAMADA 0
2008
SKY
SA
DANIEL WOODS 2
8b+
2008
UNDERGROUND PARADISE
CH
ROMAIN DESGRANGES 3
8b+ 2008
IN SEARCH OF TIME LOST CH
DANIEL WOODS
DAI KOYAMADA 8b+ 2008
METAMORPHOSIS
CH
DANIEL WOODS 0
2008
THE ISLAND
FRANCE
DAVE GRAHAM 3
8c
2008
WOOD GRAIN GIPPIN'
USA
DAVE GRAHAM
2 8b+
2008
GIOLA ITALY CHRIS CORE 0
2008
LOST IN THE HOOD USA DAVE GRAHAM 1 8b+ 2008
THE END
SLOVENIA URH CEHOVIN
0
2007
MIDNIGHT EXPRESS USA
TYLER LANDMAN 3
8b+
2007
WARPATH
USA
JAMES LITZ
0
2007
ANAM CARA
AUSTRIA
BERND ZANGERL
2 8c
2007
BONGO
GERMANY
DAI KOYAMADA F. CHRISTOPH
"9a route"
2007
JADE
USA
DANIEL WOODS
6 8b+
2007
LE DERNIER FléAU FRANCE
SHAWN DIAMOND
0 2007
THE SINGULARITY CANADA
TIM CLIFFORD
0
2007
LIVING THE DREAM FINLAND
NALLE HUKKATALVAL 0
2007
FROM SHALLOW WATERS 2 RIVERBED
CH
FRANZ WIDMER
GABRIELE MORONI
"8c+/9a route" 2007
BABEL
JAPAN
DAI KOYAMADA 0
2007
KHEOPS assis FRANCE ANTOINE VANDEPUTTE 2 8b+ 2007
ANGAMA
FRANCE
DAI KOYAMADA
0
2006
VOYAGER
GB
BEN MOON
0
2006
ODE TO THE MODERN MAN
USA
DANIEL WOODS
6 8b+ 2006
SCARRED FOR LIFE
CH DAVE GRAHAM
0
2006
PIPE DREAM
AUSTRIA
B. SCHWAIGER 0 2006
ASLAN
USA
DANIEL WOODS numerous
8b+
2006
HYPER BALLAD JAPAN
DAI KOYAMADA
0 2006
TERREMER USA FRED NICOLE 2 V15
2006
PI GERMANY TONI LAMPRECHT 0
2005
LIBRE AUSTRIA KLEM LOSKOT 2
8b+
2005
AMANDLA SA FRED NICOLE 2 8c
2005
MEMENTO CH BERND ZANGERL 3 8c
2005
RAY OF LIGHT SA KLEM LOSKOT numerous 8b
2005
SATAN Y HELVÈTE assis
FRANCE SEBASTIAN FRIGAULT TY LANDMAN 8c
2005
KINGS OF SONIERTO
CH
DAVE GRAHAM
0 2005
UMA JAPAN DAI KOMAYADA 0
2005
TRIFECTA MIDDLE
NZ CHRIS SHARMA 0
2005
WITNESS THE FITNESS USA CHRIS SHARMA FRED NICOLE
2005
FROM DIRT GROWS THE FLOWERS CH DAVE GRAHAM BERND ZANGERL 8c
2005
ENTLINGE CH FRED NICOLE 2 8c
2005
MONTECORE GERMANY MARKUS BOCK DAI KOMAYADA
2005
THE STORY OF TWO WORLDS CH DAVE GRAHAM DAI KOMAYADA 8c+
2005
CONFESSIONS CH
DAVE GRAHAM
3, flashed by A.Ondra!
8b+ (?)
2005
THE SWARM
USA MATT BIRCH
numerous
8b+
2005
COLLATERAL CH DAVE GRAHAM CHIPPED! Now 8a+...
2004
PRACTICE OF THE WILD
CH CHRIS SHARMA TYLER LANDMAN 8c
2004

FLAMIGNON

USA CHRIS SHARMA DANIEL WOODS 8b
2004
BEGINNING OF THE END SLOVENIA URH CEHOVIN 0
2004
IT'S OVER UK SI O'CONNOR 0 Status dubious...
2004
TRACE ELEMENT UK SI O'CONNOR 0 Status dubious...
2004
PILGRIMAGE UK MALCOM SMITH 0
2004
GOLDEN SHADOW SA FRED NICOLE 0 2004
THE WHEEL OF LIFE AUSTRALIA DAI KOMAYADA 2 9a route
2004
SLEEPY RAVE AUSTRALIA DAI KOMAYADA 0
2004
V2A GERMANY MARKUS BOCK 0
2004
LE POINÇONNEUR DES LILAS CH
FRED NICOLE FRANZ WIDMER 8c
2004
I TALK TO PLANETS GERMANY MARKUS BOCK 0
2004
TONINO '78 ITALY MAURO CALIBANI JULIAN NADIRAS
2004
CANNIBAL CORPSE GERMANY PASCAL SCHOUWINK JULIUS WESTPHAL 8b+
2004
MARLA SINGER GERMANY TONI LAMPRECHT 0
2004
ZUNAMI AUSTRIA B. SCHWAIGER H. SCHWAIGER 8c
2003
RIOT ACT GERMANY MARKUS BOCK 4 8B+
2003
FREAKS OF THE INDUSTRY
USA
JAMES LITZ
5 8b/8b+ 2003
PHAETON GERMANY MARKUS BOCK 2 8b/+
2003
THE MONK LIFE UK MALCOM SMITH 0
2003
TRIP HOP FRANCE SEBASTIAN FRIGAULT 0
2003
UBIK assis FRANCE JULIEN NADIRAS DAVE GRAHAM 8b+
2003
THE BOOK OF BITTER ASPECTS USA DAVE GRAHAM PHIL SHAAL 8b+
2003
SORGINETXE SPAIN IKER POU 0
2003
THE DAGGER CH TONI LAMPRECHT

5

8b+
2003
MOOISTE MAISE SA
FRED NICOLE
4
8b+
2003
MONKEY WEDDING SA FRED NICOLE 0
2003
OLIPHANTS DAWN SA FRED NICOLE 0
2003
DIE UNENDLICHE GESCHICHTE /PART 1+2+3 CH CHRIS SHARMA numerous 8b+
2003
MADIBA SA FRED NICOLE 3 8b+
2003
EMOTIONAL LANDSCAPES AUSTRIA KLEM LOSKOT 1
2002
NEW BASE LINE CH BERND ZANGERL Numerous 8b+
2002
VIVA LA EVOLUTION AUSTRIA BERND ZANGERL 0
2002
GOSSIP GERMANY MARKUS BOCK 2 8c
2002
SILENT HUNTER AUSTRIA KLEM LOSKOT THOMAS SCHIFER 8b
2002
LILI GERMANY TONI LAMPRECHT 0
2002
CHAOS FRANCE JULIEN NADIRAS 2 8b/+
2002
BÜGELEISEN AUSTRIA KLEM LOSKOT M. BOCK? 8b+
2001
KAIZEN UK JOHN GASKINS 0
2001
CIRCADIAN RHYTHM USA DAVE GRAHAM 5 8b
2001
ESPERANZA USA FRED NICOLE 7 8b+
2001
DUNE FRANCE SEBASTIAN FRIGAULT 0
2001
FEUERWALZE
GERMANY
HARRY RÖKER
2
8b+
2000
EVE REVE AUSTRALIA FRED NICOLE 0
2000
BRAD PIT (SIT DOWN) UK THOMAS WILLENBERG ?
2000
NOTHING BUT SUNSHINE USA DAVE GRAHAM 2
8b/8b+
2000
DREAMTIME CH FRED NICOLE 7 CHIPPED! Now 8a+...
2000
ZERO G GERMANY KLEM LOSKOT THOMAS WILLENBERG CHIPPED! Now 7c... 1999
MUERTE GERMANY TONI LAMPRECHT 0
1999
WRESTLING WITH AN ALLIGATOR AUSTRIA KLEM LOSKOT M. BOCK 8b
1999
AMMAGAMMA AUSTRALIA KLEM LOSKOT 3 8b
1999
FATMAN FRANCE FRED NICOLE 2
1999
THE POWER OF GOODBYE AUSTRIA
KLEM LOSKOT
numerous back in the list since it's "harder than 8b" 1999
CROWBAR
GERMANY
MARKUS BOCK
HIROTARO HOSHINA 8b+
1998
LE COEUR DE LEON USA FRED NICOLE 3 8B+
1998
SLASHFACE USA FRED NICOLE numerous 8b/+
1998
NANUK GERMANY KLEM LOSKOT 0
1997
ZERBERUS GERMANY WERNER THON 3 8b/+
1997
RADJA
CH
FRED NICOLE
numerous 8b+
1996

 

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2008 climbing and bouldering news:

Early in 2008 Dave Graham bouldered Wood Grain Gippin' in Arkansas and The Island in Bleau, Chris Core did Gioia and Toni Lamprecht his master piece Assasin, Monkey and Man. Than, end of April till mid May, Chris Sharma put up one more "perfect line of power endurance" in Margalef, Spain called Victima perfecta and Markus Bock finally climbed the old project of Klaus Büchele, left of Kaum Zeit zum Atmen and called it The Essential. Daniel Woods established two new hard boulder problems with Metamorphosis, 8b+ and In Search of Time Lost, 8c in the Magic Wood, Switzerland.

Markus Bock opened Life's Blood For The Downtrodden, a 30 moves line in the Frankenjura. Chris Sharma finally climbed the gigantic straight line out the middle of the steepest part of the cave at the top of Clark Mountain, calling it Jumbo Love, 9b. He's spent a few months working it on and off over the last year and a half. After spending most of the last year living in Spain and sportclimbing non-stop, Chris returned to the States this summer fitter than ever and with full focus on his project.

Noteworthy, Adam Ondra repeats Alexander Huber's Weisse Rose and Open Air, 9a(+) at Schleierwasserfall.

Dave Graham made the FA of The bitter End, at Fionay, a 13m roof "almost a route" on nice rock that  he describes as a resistance, "never really a hard move" and very beautiful problem.

Talking of routes, there are 5 new "hard" 9a's:

The latest is Absoluter Kontrollverlust by Toni Lamprecht in Kochel. Before the Bindhammer brothers added Hades to the “Götterwand” (Wall of Gods) a Nassereith (Tyrol/A).

Peter Kamitses The China Glide, 9a in Rumney. "links all of chinabeach into hard boulder problem into last crux of livin astro." Last month Chris Sharma did the FA of Papichulo, 9a+ in Oliana, Spain and Steve McClure climbs Northern Exposure in Kilnsey!

Old, "so 2007" climbing and bouldering news:

The last news, just around the turn of the years 07/08 was Paul Robinson's second ascent of Fred Nicole's Terremer (V15), the hardest boulder problem at Hueco Tanks, Texas!

Last update mid-December '07 adding Fred Rouhling's all natural limestone line Salamandre at Saint-Pierre en Faucigny, France and Urh Čehovin's boulder problem The End in Slovenia to the list.

Most likely the hardest new line this year, but unfortunately not the most inspiring is Dani Andrada's linkup in the Ali Baba cave in Rodellar, the sit-start of the Ali Hulk extension. That's unfortunate in so far as Dani is one of the very few climbers that have done a lot of those High-end climbs and we would hope that he puts up more one-of-a-kind climbs that don't inspire nit-picking as much as a linkup does! Well, on the other hand of course Dani can climb whatever he pleases...

Talking of Dani, his route La Novena Enmienda, 9a+has been repeated by Chris Sharma and Patxi Usobiaga. Paxi has had one of the most impressive week in sport climbing history ever by climbing two 9a+ routes, a 8c++, and three 8b or harder onsights within one week!

In November two boulder problems were added to the list: Tyler Landman's Boulder canyon problem Midnight Express and James Litz' boulder problem Warpath in Idaho.

During October '07 we added: Markus Bock's route  Matador in the Frankenjura, Vasya Vorotnikov's re-redpoint of Jaws in Rumney and 2 boulder problems: Bernd Zangerl's Anam Cara close to his home in Austria and Dai Koyamada's  Bongo in the Frankenjura again.

2007 has been an amazing year already with Jaws Daniel Woods' boulder problem Jade, Tony Lamiche's San Ku Kaï, Alex Chabot's PuntX, Chris Sharmas' Three degrees of seperation, Julius Westphal's Aloha and many more. More about the state of the climbing (in German) here.

As more and more young climbers are capable of climbing in the 9a and bouldering in the 8b+ range, we'll get more perspective on climbing grades.

 

WHY A LIST OF THE THE HARDEST CLIMBING MOVES?

The current state of rating hard bouldering/climbing is like the 100m sprint without any direct comparison, face to face competition and before the invention of even a timer...

A couple of strong athletes do their thing in some remote areas, come back and report: "It really felt like 9.6 secs yesterday, the track was fast, I was feeling strong, the wind was making this typical 9.6 sound..."

So much for the accuracy of rating climbing moves. If you're only in it for the numbers, do comps and show the world how strong you are! If your only contribution to climbing is repeating and downgrading, that's fine, it's just not what you could do with your obvious talent. Why not explain to the rest of us why you liked the climb or not, what is tricky and what is simple about it... etc. etc.

This is what we like to see in this list. A way to share information about difficult climbing moves!

Two more things: ALL the strong climbers eventually misrated climbing moves in their times. In ten years we'll know more...�

 

"Do we comprehend as a community a system of grading? As a community, are we confident in our current theories about the complex abstraction of high-end grades?

I think the media did a lot more consolidating of grades than we ever did as a community of climbers. For generations it has happened. Capitalism, money, "fame",...these factors of our world are real, and they have a serious influence.

Grades will never be the most inspiring abstraction donated by climbing. They rank low in overall importance. From an artistic point of view, the possible inspiration one can attain from a grade (it being an after-the-fact interpretation of something special) can never compete with the inspiration donated by the actual experience of climbing.

I changed a lot of my ideas about grades throughout my experiences climbing. I learned a lot about how to compare personal experiences and deduce their relativity. I think its amazing, as a community, how everyone involved, can appreciate the attempt to articulate (with a little number) how challenging something felt, or how one experience compared to another."

--- Dave Graham, 2004 ---

 


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